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#861 RNA Buckingham

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Posted 10 May 2017 - 12:35 PM

UPDATE: Definitely not a necro.

It feels like it at this point. So predictably the meta has dramatically shifted since the last pvp event nearly 2 months ago, notably with the rise of galv raizen. In addition with chrome and raizen becoming ever more popular there are actually viable front lines without a TT in them (never thought i'd see the day). In addition to this for the first time the focus has shifted slightly towards midgame. Front lines are tending towards being preventative rather than snowbally, there are so many powerful midgame setups at the moment that games feel like they're decided by who transitions into midgame strategies better (and also who deals with penguinator).

 

Giving the PvE list a needed update as well since there have been a lot of reworks since the last one. I am also putting Lordsreign in quite high but solely because the AI will constantly try to protect kill / assassinate it, so once the glitch is fixed it will most likely move down. Also if I've missed any then let me know, it's been a while

 

Additions

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Movements

Yeah there's a lot of these, tbh you might even be better off just looking at the list for what hasn't changed. But hey, I'll list them all anyway. Rip my afternoon. You're welcome.

General

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PVP

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The meta right now is actually looking pretty good, although SS has a tendency to push down some of the less meta front lines the midgame has been an interesting battle. 

As always if you disagree with anything then feel free to let me know. This is a community list after all so while I may make my opinions clear on some monsters (*cough*chromera*cough*) at the end if the day i defer to your judgement.

And with that, I bid you adieu. 


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Posted 10 May 2017 - 12:44 PM

"U happy now" little pissed it took so long, but yea

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Posted 10 May 2017 - 12:49 PM

Chromera lower than Oniblade? U mad buck?
Chromera should be A
Ps more videos pls :D
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Posted 10 May 2017 - 12:54 PM

Chromera lower than Oniblade? U mad buck?
Chromera should be A
Ps more videos pls :D

I have exams atm ;_; plus it's second year of uni so i can't mess about with these ones. 

 Come summer i might do some more though



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Posted 10 May 2017 - 12:55 PM

I have exams atm ;_; plus it's second year of uni so i can't mess about with these ones.
Come summer i might do some more though


Goodluck then
Ps Utopion is better than stratustrike, S and A respectively

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Posted 10 May 2017 - 12:57 PM

Chromera lower than Oniblade? U mad buck?
Chromera should be A
Ps more videos pls :D

I will stand by that since the meta back then was full of protectors since everyone was trying to counter chromera. It was a case of so many people being afraid of him that he was just shut out. 

But hey, I can admit he's a very strong monster. It was just a matter of time before the meta became less geared around countering him. 


Goodluck then
Ps Utopion is better than stratustrike, S and A respectively

if more agree i'll swap them, honestly seen a lot more of statustrike in the top 50 than utopion though. 



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Posted 10 May 2017 - 01:10 PM

What about heavenwyrm??

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Posted 10 May 2017 - 01:16 PM

What about heavenwyrm??

At A+ for general and A for pvp. 

Hasn't moved anywhere suprisingly enough.



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Posted 10 May 2017 - 01:26 PM

At A+ for general and A for pvp. 
Hasn't moved anywhere suprisingly enough.


Thanks for the info :)

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Posted 10 May 2017 - 03:41 PM

Nice work

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 01:15 AM

Excellent work as always Buck!

 

EDIT: I'm honestly surprised at how high Utopion is, given how many players said that it was the worst legendary.

 

Second EDIT: I apologize for sounding ignorant, but why is Lordsreign as high as it is? 



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Posted 11 May 2017 - 01:24 AM

Moves that i would do for pvp

Drako moves to s+
Ultima to B
Shadowrym to B+ hes only good vs aegis puts him on hg vs drako he doesnt do that.
Stag to s+
Heven to b+
Reven to s+

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 07:09 AM

eh......Tenebris? Anyone remember him?



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Posted 18 May 2017 - 03:03 AM

At A+ for general and A for pvp. 

Hasn't moved anywhere suprisingly enough.

For Geartyant it is a bit of too low maybe.As he is a god at high level of UC and IC. With he in present, next monsters come in and get asleep=death.Stun bomb as well, but he rely on team badly so he can't be too easy to use. :lol:



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Posted 18 May 2017 - 09:25 AM

Excellent work as always Buck!

 

EDIT: I'm honestly surprised at how high Utopion is, given how many players said that it was the worst legendary.

 

Second EDIT: I apologize for sounding ignorant, but why is Lordsreign as high as it is? 

Despite being a protector lordsreign isn't affected by protect killer or assassinate due to a bug. There's kind of a gentleman's agreement not to use him in the top pvp ranks atm cause of it, but he's ridiculously powerful as a result.

 

Utopion is at A because of overwatch and give turn, making it basically a pain in the backside to deal with. 

 

eh......Tenebris? Anyone remember him?

pepperidge farm remembers Seems to have been missed, i'll add him in

 

For Geartyant it is a bit of too low maybe.As he is a god at high level of UC and IC. With he in present, next monsters come in and get asleep=death.Stun bomb as well, but he rely on team badly so he can't be too easy to use. :lol:

Remember that general is more to see how good any legendary is in a vacuum, not just in specific events. While of course these are taken into account think of it more as "how good is this monster without support"

 

As happy as I am to finally move auro out of the bottom tiers, next update will be, as always, after the next pvp event. So hold your horses everyone. 


EDIT: Tenebris goes in at B for general and B+ for pvp, can be very annoying under certain circumstances but if the stealth is broken it struggles to make an impact. In addition stealth all is not at the premium that it used to be. 



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Posted 22 May 2017 - 12:12 PM

So after the update I think something shifts a little right?

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Posted 22 May 2017 - 02:04 PM

So after the update I think something shifts a little right?

Of course, however updates come after pvp events, because that allows for extensive testing and generally to get a good feel for any new monsters and updates. 

AKA be patient 



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Posted 22 May 2017 - 03:15 PM

Do you think Jingle gazer and oak are useable now? They seem a little bit better, but not by that much.
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Posted 22 May 2017 - 04:03 PM

Do you think Jingle gazer and oak are useable now? They seem a little bit better, but not by that much.

Oak is much better. Insta flash for 150 sec is op. Conditions are easy to be made with the right setup.

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Posted 22 May 2017 - 06:29 PM

Do you think Jingle gazer and oak are useable now? They seem a little bit better, but not by that much.

I can vouch for Jingle being usable but tbh its being targeted fast most of the time so it has no time to kill. :3

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